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Post by Vega Verde on Jul 25, 2015 22:47:18 GMT -5
If a country, especially a superpower such as the United States, were to declare war on ISIS, we'd be legitimizing them as a sovereign entity, expanding their influence by default. This is why we should not declare war on them; we should refuse to recognize them as such a powerful entity that they may need to be declared war on.
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Post by themathjesticforce on Jul 25, 2015 22:50:48 GMT -5
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we shouldnt get involved in that type of shit
unless they develop nukes and nuke someone, then we get involved
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Post by Vega Verde on Jul 25, 2015 22:52:58 GMT -5
orwe shouldnt get involved in that type of shit this is what i was saying
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Post by Rogue Titan on Jul 25, 2015 22:55:32 GMT -5
ISIS is not even a real threat. It's simply a creation of Mossad, designed to destabilise Iraq and the Middle East proper. Their "beheading" videos are obvious propaganda, and likely staged, too. This is meant to garner reaction from the American public, who blindly think that the only two sides are Democrat and Republican, and it just so happens that both follow the same political agenda: "muh ebil Muslimz!!1"
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Post by nerd on Jul 25, 2015 22:56:15 GMT -5
ISIS is not even a real threat. It's simply a creation of Mossad, designed to destabilise Iraq and the Middle East proper. Their "beheading" videos are obvious propaganda, and likely staged, too. This is meant to garner reaction from the American public, who blindly think that the only two sides are Democrat and Republican, and it just so happens that both follow the same political agenda: "muh ebil Muslimz!!1" hello megaluigi glad you could make it
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Post by Rogue Titan on Jul 25, 2015 22:57:22 GMT -5
ISIS is not even a real threat. It's simply a creation of Mossad, designed to destabilise Iraq and the Middle East proper. Their "beheading" videos are obvious propaganda, and likely staged, too. This is meant to garner reaction from the American public, who blindly think that the only two sides are Democrat and Republican, and it just so happens that both follow the same political agenda: "muh ebil Muslimz!!1" hello megaluigi glad you could make it Please do not derail the thread. Anyways, there was recently a video showing some footage at a studio where a group is on a set that resembles an ISIS beheading, complete with a ninja and orange-suited hostage.
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Post by themathjesticforce on Jul 25, 2015 22:57:51 GMT -5
orwe shouldnt get involved in that type of shit this is what i was sayingoh ok
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Post by Rogue Titan on Jul 27, 2015 21:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by brett0007 on Jul 29, 2015 5:30:04 GMT -5
If a country, especially a superpower such as the United States, were to declare war on ISIS, we'd be legitimizing them as a sovereign entity, expanding their influence by default. This is why we should not declare war on them; we should refuse to recognize them as such a powerful entity that they may need to be declared war on. That's bullshit, declaring war on armed terrorist organisations that are decapitating your civilians for no other reason than publicity is not legitimizing them. Legislating them is recognizing ISIS as a sovereign state separate of Iraq and Syria and not a batshit insane rebel group. Fighting them Is not legitimizing them.
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Jul 29, 2015 5:47:50 GMT -5
there are just some random guys with beards and a flag that is unrecognizable - what is your point? and why do you always copy that propaganda, why dont you make your own shit think for yourself and dont let "totenkopf dad" tell you what you have to believe fucking retard
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 8, 2015 22:11:53 GMT -5
If a country, especially a superpower such as the United States, were to declare war on ISIS, we'd be legitimizing them as a sovereign entity, expanding their influence by default. This is why we should not declare war on them; we should refuse to recognize them as such a powerful entity that they may need to be declared war on. That's bullshit, declaring war on armed terrorist organisations that are decapitating your civilians for no other reason than publicity is not legitimizing them. Legislating them is recognizing ISIS as a sovereign state separate of Iraq and Syria and not a batshit insane rebel group. Fighting them Is not legitimizing them. Maybe fighting them isn't legitimizing them, but declaring war on them as if they were a sovereign country is. You just gotta watch how you fight them and be careful not to imply that you recognize them as a sovereign entity.
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 9, 2015 3:38:22 GMT -5
That's bullshit, declaring war on armed terrorist organisations that are decapitating your civilians for no other reason than publicity is not legitimizing them. Legislating them is recognizing ISIS as a sovereign state separate of Iraq and Syria and not a batshit insane rebel group. Fighting them Is not legitimizing them. Maybe fighting them isn't legitimizing them, but declaring war on them as if they were a sovereign country is. You just gotta watch how you fight them and be careful not to imply that you recognize them as a sovereign entity. Because the american war on terror legitimatized terrorism as a means to a political end...
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 9, 2015 11:37:08 GMT -5
Maybe fighting them isn't legitimizing them, but declaring war on them as if they were a sovereign country is. You just gotta watch how you fight them and be careful not to imply that you recognize them as a sovereign entity. Because the american war on terror legitimatized terrorism as a means to a political end... And you don't think that gave the terrorists more influence?
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 10, 2015 9:29:09 GMT -5
Because the american war on terror legitimatized terrorism as a means to a political end... And you don't think that gave the terrorists more influence? lets see: Bin laden is dead Al-Qaeda is nigh defeted the Taliban are losing ground in Pakistan ISIS are on the back foot, they have lost 25% to 30% of there gained territory in Iraq due to the coalition airstrikes and the Iraqi counteroffensive[1] al Baghdadi is suspected to be permanently out of actions doe to his injuries sustained in coalition bombings. The only Islamist terrorist groups that aren't under any significant pressure are the feckless African ones whose best stunts appear to be mass kidnappings and car bombs which in the face of a terrorist group with de-facto control of a good portion of Iraq and Syria seems trivial in comparison. So yes they have gained more influence then they know what to do with, apparently www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128576[1]
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 10, 2015 17:17:54 GMT -5
And you don't think that gave the terrorists more influence? lets see: Bin laden is dead Al-Qaeda is nigh defeted the Taliban are losing ground in Pakistan ISIS are on the back foot, they have lost 25% to 30% of there gained territory in Iraq due to the coalition airstrikes and the Iraqi counteroffensive[1] al Baghdadi is suspected to be permanently out of actions doe to his injuries sustained in coalition bombings. The only Islamist terrorist groups that aren't under any significant pressure are the feckless African ones whose best stunts appear to be mass kidnappings and car bombs which in the face of a terrorist group with de-facto control of a good portion of Iraq and Syria seems trivial in comparison. So yes they have gained more influence then they know what to do with, apparently www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128576[1]good thing it wasn't the US that helped create these terrorist organizations
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 10, 2015 17:22:37 GMT -5
lets see: Bin laden is dead Al-Qaeda is nigh defeted the Taliban are losing ground in Pakistan ISIS are on the back foot, they have lost 25% to 30% of there gained territory in Iraq due to the coalition airstrikes and the Iraqi counteroffensive[1] al Baghdadi is suspected to be permanently out of actions doe to his injuries sustained in coalition bombings. The only Islamist terrorist groups that aren't under any significant pressure are the feckless African ones whose best stunts appear to be mass kidnappings and car bombs which in the face of a terrorist group with de-facto control of a good portion of Iraq and Syria seems trivial in comparison. So yes they have gained more influence then they know what to do with, apparently www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128576[1]good thing it wasn't the US that helped create these terrorist organizations Who or what created them is not what's being debated, what being debated is whether declaring war on them validates or legitimizes them in the eyes of others.
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 10, 2015 18:47:29 GMT -5
And you don't think that gave the terrorists more influence? lets see: Bin laden is dead Al-Qaeda is nigh defeted the Taliban are losing ground in Pakistan ISIS are on the back foot, they have lost 25% to 30% of there gained territory in Iraq due to the coalition airstrikes and the Iraqi counteroffensive[1] al Baghdadi is suspected to be permanently out of actions doe to his injuries sustained in coalition bombings. The only Islamist terrorist groups that aren't under any significant pressure are the feckless African ones whose best stunts appear to be mass kidnappings and car bombs which in the face of a terrorist group with de-facto control of a good portion of Iraq and Syria seems trivial in comparison. So yes they have gained more influence then they know what to do with, apparently www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128576[1]And? How does this disprove that declaring war on something legitimizes it as a sovereign power?
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 10, 2015 19:09:28 GMT -5
lets see: Bin laden is dead Al-Qaeda is nigh defeted the Taliban are losing ground in Pakistan ISIS are on the back foot, they have lost 25% to 30% of there gained territory in Iraq due to the coalition airstrikes and the Iraqi counteroffensive[1] al Baghdadi is suspected to be permanently out of actions doe to his injuries sustained in coalition bombings. The only Islamist terrorist groups that aren't under any significant pressure are the feckless African ones whose best stunts appear to be mass kidnappings and car bombs which in the face of a terrorist group with de-facto control of a good portion of Iraq and Syria seems trivial in comparison. So yes they have gained more influence then they know what to do with, apparently www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128576[1]And? How does this disprove that declaring war on something legitimizes it as a sovereign power? Look at the huge fucking list of sovereign nations lining up to ally with ISIS in there jihad of liberation from the evil imperialist America and her allies.
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