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Post by Ellipsis on Jul 27, 2015 17:20:25 GMT -5
Grenada: The New National Party scored 100% of the 15 seats in the Grenadian House of Representatives with just under 60% of the popular vote. Meanwhile, the next party, the National Democratic Congress, scored 0% of the 15 seats, with just more than 40% of the popular vote. If this isn't a disproportionate election result, I don't know what is. Singapore: Once again, a completely disproportionate Parliament of Singapore. With just above 60% of the vote, the PAP scores 93% of seats. Meanwhile, the WP, with about 13% of the vote, scores just half of that percentage of votes. Malaysia: UMNO scores just under 40% of seats with just under 30% of the vote. Meanwhile, the PKR scores 13.5% of seats with 20% of the vote. The United Kingdom: This chart conveniently shows the eventual result of FPTP voting. A two-party system, in which third parties cannot contest. Even UKIP, with 12.7% of the vote, scored a laughably low 0.2% of seats. Antigua and Barbuda: Yet another disproportionate election result. What a surprise. FPTP is only successful in one thing: maintaining the power of the two dominant parties.
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 8, 2015 22:34:52 GMT -5
There are a few countries that split up the seats more proportionately, but I guess that way, it's harder to pass any laws and such. It would be just about impossible to get anything done if the majority party doesn't have the majority of the seats. I don't know if it's better to have a disproportionately run country with a majority party or a proportionately run one.
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 9, 2015 3:58:12 GMT -5
There are a few countries that split up the seats more proportionately, but I guess that way, it's harder to pass any laws and such. It would be just about impossible to get anything done if the majority party doesn't have the majority of the seats. I don't know if it's better to have a disproportionately run country with a majority party or a proportionately run one. The point is a good portion of the voting public aren't getting what they voted for.
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 9, 2015 11:35:37 GMT -5
There are a few countries that split up the seats more proportionately, but I guess that way, it's harder to pass any laws and such. It would be just about impossible to get anything done if the majority party doesn't have the majority of the seats. I don't know if it's better to have a disproportionately run country with a majority party or a proportionately run one. The point is a good portion of the voting public aren't getting what they voted for. But if they did, then nothing will ever change, and they still won't get what they voted for.
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Post by brett0007 on Aug 10, 2015 9:43:04 GMT -5
The point is a good portion of the voting public aren't getting what they voted for. But if they did, then nothing will ever change, and they still won't get what they voted for. look at the UK vote statistics, the SNP in 1\3 the votes that UKIP did yet they got over fifty TIMES as many seats as UKIP. If that's not ringing alarm bells I don't know what should
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 10, 2015 17:12:09 GMT -5
But if they did, then nothing will ever change, and they still won't get what they voted for. look at the UK vote statistics, the SNP in 1\3 the votes that UKIP did yet they got over fifty TIMES as many seats as UKIP. If that's not ringing alarm bells I don't know what should that's cuz ukip is bad lol british tea party movement
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Post by Vega Verde on Aug 10, 2015 18:45:31 GMT -5
But if they did, then nothing will ever change, and they still won't get what they voted for. look at the UK vote statistics, the SNP in 1\3 the votes that UKIP did yet they got over fifty TIMES as many seats as UKIP. If that's not ringing alarm bells I don't know what should Well, it's a damn good thing UKIP didn't get that many seats. Whatever, the point is that proportionate seating ensures that no one gets what they voted for.
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 13:38:05 GMT -5
The point of voting is to ensure the majority get what they want.
the other 40% getting what they want would mean the 60% don't get what they want I don't see how that is any better.
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 12, 2015 13:40:11 GMT -5
The point of voting is to ensure the majority get what they want. umm no
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 13:45:11 GMT -5
The point of voting is to ensure the majority get what they want. umm no The majority always win in theory. In practice representatives rarely always do what there supporters want. But the whole point of voting is for the majority opinion to win out over minority opinions it always has been.
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 12, 2015 14:06:26 GMT -5
The majority always win in theory. In practice representatives rarely always do what there supporters want. But the whole point of voting is for the majority opinion to win out over minority opinions it always has been. there is not always an absolute majority
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 14:12:41 GMT -5
The majority always win in theory. In practice representatives rarely always do what there supporters want. But the whole point of voting is for the majority opinion to win out over minority opinions it always has been. there is not always an absolute majority Of course there isn't its not a perfect system no system is perfect. Voting is an attempt at getting the largest group of people what they want. This would be perfect in a system with only two hardline unchanging ideologies. But voting in practice is more like this 40% of people want to give homeless children hugs 25% want to give them homes and 35% want to give them nothing. The largest percentage still always wins out if the vote isn't tampered. That is on singular issues.
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 12, 2015 14:44:22 GMT -5
there is not always an absolute majority Of course there isn't its not a perfect system no system is perfect. Voting is an attempt at getting the largest group of people what they want. This would be perfect in a system with only two hardline unchanging ideologies. But voting in practice is more like this 40% of people want to give homeless children hugs 25% want to give them homes and 35% want to give them nothing. The largest percentage still always wins out if the vote isn't tampered. That is on singular issues. did you have any political science class about pluralism?
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 14:49:04 GMT -5
Of course there isn't its not a perfect system no system is perfect. Voting is an attempt at getting the largest group of people what they want. This would be perfect in a system with only two hardline unchanging ideologies. But voting in practice is more like this 40% of people want to give homeless children hugs 25% want to give them homes and 35% want to give them nothing. The largest percentage still always wins out if the vote isn't tampered. That is on singular issues. did you have any political science class about pluralism? I just explained that in an extremely simplified way the differing views on singular issues.
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 14:58:45 GMT -5
Also no one cares if you took an elitist ass (actually took no class and just looked up pluralism on wikipedia) class so that you could argue on a forum filled with people from a kids site.
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Post by Comrade Breuning on Aug 12, 2015 15:03:54 GMT -5
Also no one cares if you took an elitist ass (actually took no class and just looked up pluralism on wikipedia) class so that you could argue on a forum filled with people from a kids site. i didnt take no elitist ass class its called high school
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 15:06:45 GMT -5
Also no one cares if you took an elitist ass (actually took no class and just looked up pluralism on wikipedia) class so that you could argue on a forum filled with people from a kids site. i didnt take no elitist ass class its called high school And your still on this filth encrusted forum? GROSS!
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Post by castroscigars on Aug 12, 2015 15:08:02 GMT -5
its k bby i love u
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